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Reaper unneeded kickban for "decon"

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:52 am
by epicaldude
Requesting:
[ ] ban/punishment
[ ] undo of previous decision / unban
[X] admin / [ ] user attitude adjustment

related to following bad activities in game:

[ ]base attacker: ( )kill RC/OM ( )killed important stuff ( )just bleed
[ ]team attacker: ( )killed with no reason ( )just bleed
[ ] glitcher: [ ]reached outside-map location [ ]others gameplay
[ ] cheater: suspected [ ]aimbot [ ]wallhack [ ] /msg spam [ ]other
[X] admin unwarranted (*) kick ( ) mute ( ) other
...related to what that Admin claims to be (*)decon ( )tk ( )other

PLAYER:
nickname: Reaper
level: [ ]dunno [ ] unregistered [ ]player lvl 1-5... [X]admin lvl...7?
other info: hi Lancer

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DEMO(s): probably not needed as there is detailed description
SCREEN(s): -
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DETAILS OF GAME EVENT:
ON DATE: 2012-10-21, TIME: 13:30 (GTM+2) ON MAP: Mission 1
With teams count (A-H) : 1 vs 2
-> mission1 starts, I bet people will vote other map
-> I decon egg, on this map I might as well do it, initial egs will die and Im alone
-> someone calls mapchange vote
-> I decon all but last egg.
-> mapchange vote will pass. I vote F2 for lol but it passes still
-> I decon last egg right before it passes and suicide
-> vote passed
-> Humans won

What might normally be a [bad] decon, is totally o.k. in this case, because:
1) decon initiall stuff on this fun-map is not any problem. I could build new eggs if by any chance more people would join or vote would not pass
2) map will change anyway
3) entire Aliens team agreed on this (me :)
4) entire H team also wanted change map
5) EDITED/ADDED: in the unlikely event that in 3 seconds someone joins and wants to play this map I was 100% of the time able to still return to normal game (build OM then eggs), right to the point when vote passed

Since there is no player that had any different outcome of game,
so this is "victimless" crime, so not a crime.

So kick/ban was not needed.

New admins, hold your horses with the new commands, k?

REQUESTED SOLUTION:
Lancer should join Iain and Tyr in that locker.
And write 100 times on blackboard "I will not use admin commands when not needed (except fun commands like admintest or bigtext or smth) in acient greek.

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:04 pm
by Lancer
DETAILS OF GAME EVENT:
ON DATE: 2012-10-21, TIME: 13:30 (GTM+2) ON MAP: Mission 1
With teams count (A-H) : 1 vs 2
-> mission1 starts, I bet people will vote other map I did vote UTCS
-> I decon egg, on this map I might as well do it, initial egs will die and Im alone True, but why not keep them for other members wanted to join the game?
-> someone calls mapchange vote I did - UTCS
-> I decon all but last egg. false, check demo(you decon last egg) & screenshot
-> mapchange vote will pass. I vote F2 for lol but it passes still 2 no, 2 yes - Still insecurity
-> I decon last egg right before it passes and suicide In that timespawn, there were still 10 seconds left before suicide
-> vote passed No vote has passed - check screenshot nano (voted for UTCS)
-> Humans won Last granger (you) Suicided

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7292 ... decon2.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4955 ... decon1.jpg

Demo
http://www.4shared.com/file/NeO-ICVI/epical.html

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:07 pm
by Redman
AMS wanted to play the game
That's why he voted yes on the map change vote and left the team!

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:09 pm
by Lancer
Redman wrote:
AMS wanted to play the game
That's why he voted yes on the map change vote and left the team!
Withdrawn that.

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:40 pm
by Spl@
Not available. Apparently, the file's been removed…

Anyway. Technically, ban; but, under the circumstances as described (game ended by a vote), ‘making sure that the game is ended’ is irrelevant or at least only a minor problem: “you get away with that oneâ€￾. However, should it happen such that a vote is cut short and as a result fails to be passed…

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:51 pm
by Lancer
The vote didn't pass, he deconned the egg before it passed, or did not pass (as it was 2-2) - Will reupload the demo, got an idea where i can?

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:08 pm
by epicaldude
Lancer wrote:The vote didn't pass, he deconned the egg before it passed, or did not pass (as it was 2-2) - Will reupload the demo, got an idea where i can?
Be cool and upload it to http://freenetproject.org ;) But its hard to upload and then to download actually.

So votes:
People that wanted to change map:
- me (obviously)
- AMS (vote)
- Bluentaur (vote)
- ? Xforcegamer (deconed RC)
People that wanted to keep map maybe (didn't want UTCS)
- invisible

So 1 human speced and the other/only H deconed RC :)

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:50 pm
by Rotacak
epical: Its same like basenade when game will end. Nothing like that is allowed in rules and nothing force you to do that. So - if you don't want to have problems, don't do it. Does not matter if there was vote for map change or everyone agreed or anything else.

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:56 am
by Lancer
This has been handled i believe.

Or do you (epical), have something else you want to see?

If not/or can someone close this?

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:09 pm
by Lancer
PS:

As this is a legit decon - Requesting a 1-3 day ban, or something else felt appropriate.

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:55 pm
by epicaldude
Lancer wrote:PS:

As this is a legit decon - Requesting a 1-3 day ban, or something else felt appropriate.
I requests official Asshat Award for Lancer, and replacing him with a clone of sane admins e.g. Spl, Gunther, or their offspring :)
Don't forget to ban the other deconer in this game as well ;)

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:06 pm
by iain
Lancer wrote:PS:

As this is a legit decon - Requesting a 1-3 day ban, or something else felt appropriate.
Although this was a "decon" (i.e. intended to alter the flow of the game). I think that when applying the rules it is also important to think about the intent of the the player.

Now, whilst epicaldude was being a prat (as expected of him). I think that he wasn't trying to harm the progress of the game simply "messing around" at the end thinking the game was definitely going to end.

Whilst not defending his actions as being the correct thing to do. I think that the kick was warranted but that any further action would be a bit excessive.


Don't know why I'm defending him when he was just complaining about me
:lol:


Ah well.


Just my two cents
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:20 pm
by BillyRazOr
Hi!!!! I'm new of RCZ member (as N7 clan of NICE member)...

I just got (want) to complain about a person. Why some people want to banned me because in months ago, i saw a person was banned me as i'm decon reactor and replace safety places. I'm not doing bad person. He banned me for no reason but i don't know who was it. :( :( :(

Help me with my problems.....

BillyRazOr

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:49 pm
by epicaldude
BillyRazOr wrote:Hi!!!! I'm new of RCZ member (as N7 clan of NICE member)...

I just got (want) to complain about a person. Why some people want to banned me because in months ago, i saw a person was banned me as i'm decon reactor and replace safety places. I'm not doing bad person. He banned me for no reason but i don't know who was it. :( :( :(

Help me with my problems.....

BillyRazOr
Hi, you should open a new forum thread for this and write what is your nick used on the server. Are you currently banned?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:40 pm
by [{USATREM}] !Gunther!
lol lol liek, we all invite all 12 year olds into the the the the forums lol.