Double Jeopardy (1.2)

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zolk3ri · #1 Post by **zolk3ri** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:49 pm

I was kicked from the server today at 21:51:19 CET by iain with the following reason specified: "Ban evader [sic]".
The aforementioned ban was removed by Nod_Nod_Nod several months ago.

I request an explanation for this situation.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

#2 Post by **Rotacak** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:29 pm

I think that ban is permanent.

iain · #3 Post by **iain** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:32 pm

Alright here's how it stands.

You have a perma ban on the server from the 24th feb. This hasn't been rescinded on the server. Whilst you haven't shown any ban-able behavior whilst I've been around (other than that drunken argument with val... (which isn't really ban-able either)) you are banned and using the same name. This to me equals a kick.

Now. If you didn't have your name as zolk3ri, your behavior wouldn't be a problem as far as I'm concerned. Over to the L7's and above.

valentin54 · #4 Post by **valentin54** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:06 pm

Well if I may add a comment,

I personally agree with the invisible man when he says that Zolk3ri was obviously forgiven some moths ago, given that he's played there many times when admins were online, and noone of them decided to kick him.
Furthermore, Zolk3ri hasn't been acting bad to others (except yesterday when he was drunk, but he only bothered me, he wasn't a nuisance to anyone else) and has never behaved like a deconner.
On the other hand, I think that iain was right when he kicked zolk3ri. He's a faithfull and straight admin, he just applied the rules as he was taught to.

I think that : Rotacak should simply keep zolk3ri unbanned because :
1 : He isn't a bad player / deconner
2 : He created a bot, but he didn't use it on RCZ, it was more a coding pleasure than a real need of this trigger, and anyone used it either. (Download link down now).
3: He USED to be forgiven by other admins, or they just simply didn't notice him when he was playing, given that he's ususally spectator and rather quiet in public chat

IMO, iain shouldn't be punished either, he did a good job here, even if zolk3ri isn't a bad person. If Zolk3ri was a deconner, then it would have been normal that iain kicks him.

This is not a mistake nor an abuse, just a situation that's not common.

Unbanning zolk3ri would simply end the matter.

grmg.pl · #5 Post by **grmg.pl** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:42 am

valentin54 wrote:2 : He created a bot, but he didn't use it on RCZ

Used extensively here and on official servers.

it was more a coding pleasure than a real need of this trigger, and anyone used it either.

This is coming from a guy who used zolkeris' bot while being a lvl7 admin.

iain wrote:You have a perma ban on the server from the 24th feb

Only 4 months left till around anniversary

epicaldude · #6 Post by **epicaldude** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:44 am

grmg.pl wrote:
valentin54 wrote:it was more a coding pleasure than a real need of this trigger, and anyone used it either.
This is coming from a guy who used zolkeris' bot while being a lvl7 admin.

VAL aimboted?

valentin54 · #7 Post by **valentin54** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:06 am

VAL aimboted?

No. + I've never been level 7.

This is coming from a guy who used zolkeris' bot while being a lvl7 admin.

Can you be more precise ?

grmg.pl · #8 Post by **grmg.pl** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:31 am

epicalnab wrote:VAL aimboted?

val wrote:No.

val wrote:Got his bot.. Tried it, and I must admit I tried it 5 mins on RCZ too. It's like.. awesome

From here, near the bottom of the page.

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! · #9 Post by **[{USATREM}] !Gunther!** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:57 pm

Val, if you're not botting currently, (as we are talking about a present situation), then don't go telling noob players in-game that you do.

grmg.pl · #10 Post by **grmg.pl** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:21 pm

Call me whatever you want Gunther, but do remember that I was better than you then and I'm still better now

valentin54 · #11 Post by **valentin54** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:07 pm

Trying something does not mean always using it.

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! · #12 Post by **[{USATREM}] !Gunther!** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:46 pm

grmg.pl wrote:Call me whatever you want Gunther, but do remember that I was better than you then and I'm still better now

Call who what?
All I saw in chat logs yesterday were along the lines of "Val got bot? omg val give me bot"

Yes, because after all I don't end up leading almost every game I join. That would be crazy. Preposterous. And you've been watching me secretly all this time. I am deeply moved. Very deeply. Can't you tell.

grmg.pl · #13 Post by **grmg.pl** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:34 pm

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:And you've been watching me secretly all this time.

Don't have to. As a general rule bad players remain bad.

iain · #14 Post by **iain** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:39 pm

This has gone way off topic.

The topic is zolk3ri. Is his perma ban going to be undone.

Take this little val argument and associated elsewhere.

Nod_Nod_Nod · #15 Post by **Nod_Nod_Nod** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:44 pm

Really gosh... You bring this topic by now?

Zolkeri was repeatly creating aimbot for this server (even when Rotey used new qvms - suprisingly new aimbot qvms *poofed* on dl site too).

Val was botting etc etc.

Zolk first was playing incognito, then he was showing nick little by little...

What action needs to be taken? From admin perspective he should still be banned. From human perspective... He is trolling... Duh...