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epicaldude · #61 Post by **epicaldude** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:11 am

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:
epicaldude wrote:
Rotacak wrote:Uploaded.
Still fails with same MAX_PATCH error.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Yalt, I find your lack of mapdevel skill disturbing.

You have failed me for the last time

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! · #62 Post by **[{USATREM}] !Gunther!** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:20 am

And yalt: Epical is your father.

epicaldude · #63 Post by **epicaldude** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:51 am

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:And yalt: Epical is your father.

I'm trying to tell him since months and then they call votes like mute - insulting mother or something

Lancer · #64 Post by **Lancer** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:00 am

epicaldude wrote:
[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:And yalt: Epical is your father.
I'm trying to tell him since months and then they call votes like mute - insulting mother or something

That's not what ur mooooom said

#65 Post by **Rotacak** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:22 pm

epicaldude wrote:Yalt, I find your lack of mapdevel skill disturbing.

He did not lack mapdevel skill. Your trem client failing and you can solve it.

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! · #66 Post by **[{USATREM}] !Gunther!** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:09 pm

But what about random noobs that can't?
Then server looses players for map their clients can't normally handle.

#67 Post by **Rotacak** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:20 pm

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:But what about random noobs that can't?

Random noobs should not use linux...

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! · #68 Post by **[{USATREM}] !Gunther!** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:18 pm

Rotacak wrote:
[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:But what about random noobs that can't?
Random noobs should not use linux...

Oh I forgot, noobs use Windows anyway. OK problem solved.

epicaldude · #69 Post by **epicaldude** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:43 pm

Rotacak wrote:
epicaldude wrote:Yalt, I find your lack of mapdevel skill disturbing.
He did not lack mapdevel skill. Your trem client failing and you can solve it.

Yeap arrogant attitude of service providers (yeap, even free) works well.

Users came here to play games. Then can be patching own linux / developing kernel like me and still do not want to build shit, because if I want to that shit I might as well go back to work.

Other point,
- me
- Merry
- Best Looking Spark
- and unknown of number of people more
do not care enough to do it.

Since upgraded GPP is not even official, this is not the case of "IE 6 is 10 years old, do not use it nooobs". Its not 10 years and there is nothing new official, also users do not care.

This is why it should be map developer responsibility to create map that just works without being pain in the ass.

This or make new official trem, get it to tremulous.org, get server to warn that you need to update client and yea then it will be objectively the player's problem instead.

epicaldude · #70 Post by **epicaldude** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:46 pm

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:
Rotacak wrote:
[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:But what about random noobs that can't?
Random noobs should not use linux...

Oh I forgot, noobs use Windows anyway. OK problem solved.

Well there is some truth in that

but on the other hand Rota is wrong here: I think total noobs SHOULD use linux because they will not break it with shit and Trojans antiviruses can't catch up to every 2 weeks.

Also, Im quite sure Merry, me and Sparky can totally do it. We can also go do our taxes or pick up dog droppings after neighbors dog but it's in PLAY time some of us want 0 problems like this

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! · #71 Post by **[{USATREM}] !Gunther!** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:35 pm

While some of us can recompile a client, maybe some can't. Saying yalt is incompetent map maker is false; from what I've seen of the 2 screenshots of the map it looks awesome.
Easy fix: Remove what's causing max_patch_planes error, or use different textures/shaders or whatever->go crazy on everything else and make map 60MB of high-rez fog and crap. Seen 60MB high-rez maps before and they live on. If maps wants to get played most times, it needs to be playable by the average Joe.

Iltavuo · #72 Post by **Iltavuo** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:37 pm

I use windows, and haven't had a virus in years, not that I know of anyway. Windows defender is enough. If I try to use linux I break it quite fast. It requires a lot of learning, like windows did too but most are allready familiar with windows.

Map works here. Nice changes overall and it's feels good to have the sidetunnel back. Adding some intersections and few bigger cave areas could be nice too.

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! · #73 Post by **[{USATREM}] !Gunther!** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:41 pm

Iltavou wrote:Me uses Windows

Then answer me this mate. What sort of idiot uses an OS where the Rename and Delete options are right next to each other in the right-click menu.

Iltavuo · #74 Post by **Iltavuo** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:48 pm

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote: Then answer me this mate. What sort of idiot uses an OS where the Rename and Delete options are right next to each other in the right-click menu.

I don't see your point, it's a good place for it. All the most commonly used commands in a small space. Personally, I use shortcuts instead of that menu though.
Please don't use quotes for stuff that aren't quotes, like this

[{USATREM}] !Gunther! wrote:I knows no quote

My intention was not to insult linux or it's users, instead I ment that people should use what they are familiar with most of the time, because you can break any OS if you aren't familiar with it.

This thread isn't about OS wars anyway.

yalt. · #75 Post by **yalt.** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:06 pm

Map works here. Nice changes overall and it's feels good to have the sidetunnel back. Adding some intersections and few bigger cave areas could be nice too.

-Nice to hear that

Most players just say: SHIT MAP after playing it for 10 seconds! >_>

Update: v1.35
Download: http://uploaded.net/file/a8x7q0t9
Changelist:
-both vents to middle are now big enough for maras, basi and even goons can use it.
-max_plane bullshit "fixed", atleast it works on my macbook so maybe linux too
-"organic movement" of some structures removed (to fix maxplane..)

-invisble textures fixed
-vis fixed at one point (other map structures was "blending" thru skybox-hull)
-whole level lighting raised few steps (_ambient)
-terrain fixed (clipping)