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epicaldude
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: (hearsay) admin TheMuffinMan kicks (or mute?) without need? Reply with quote

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Requesting:
[ ] ban/punishment ; [X] admin / [ ] user attitude adjustment
[ ] undo of previous decision / unban / etc

related to following bad activities in game:

[ ]base attacker: ( )kill RC/OM ( )killed important stuff ( )just bleed
[ ]team attacker: ( )killed with no reason ( )just bleed
[ ] glitcher: [ ]reached outside-map location [ ]others gameplay
[X] unwarranted ( ) long-ban (*) kick (?) mute (*)other(cancel vote)
...that was placed for allaged ( )decon ( )tk ( )other ( )no-reason
...by an ( ) admin ( ) player
[ ] cheater: suspected [ ]aimbot [ ]wallhack [ ] /msg spam [ ]other

PLAYER:
nickname: TheMuffinMan
level: [ ]dunno [ ] unregistered [ ]player lvl 1-5... [X]admin lvl...7?
other info: MuffinMan is new (restored) admin

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DEMO(s): on demand
SCREEN(s): on demand
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DETAILS OF GAME EVENT:
ON DATE: 2012-11-03, TIME: 21:00 (PL time) ON MAP: irrevelant
With teams count (A-H) : ~10 vs ~10
-> (???)
-> (Yalt kicked by TheMuffinMan?)
-> player yalt (registered,lvl2?) said (on IRC, but admins e.g. Rotat where not online) that he was kicked unfairly by admin TheMuffinMan
-> when I joined the game later, yalt was back in game
-> I called vote ~"was yalt muted in this/last game"
-> TheMuffinMan canceled the vote. But he responded to the question instead so no big problem here ("no need to state the obvious")
-> Also other play .. Galt? was Muted. and was unmute by another admin - Ghost(?). If he was also muted by Muffin then I would like to ask why, players that where there seemed to also ask this question

ACTIONS TAKEN:
Epical posted this forum report since yalt dind't

REQUESTED SOLUTION:
-> why was Yalt kicked, was this unneeded?
-> why was that other player Muted, was it by Muffin or other admin, if yes then was it unneded action?

Please agree with admin(s) on future conduct to avoid unneeded admin interventions?
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yalt.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it was because of the *nazi* thing / vengeance. Some idiot bleeded constandly and even tked me. I gave him a shoot too and after that he didnt changed his behavior. Callvote kick was cancelled by Muffin (NO REASON!) and he banned me for intentional tk. Muffin also did ridiculous /warn stuff without any sense. Muffin can not handle admin.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lets see what admin(s) who were there have to say.
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grmg.pl
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yalt. wrote:
Muffin can not handle admin.

Somehow I don't think your opinion is gonna get you kicked less or get away with more while doing silly shit when admins are present.
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TheMuffinMann
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To my defense, Yalt did the teamkill and I reacted on that.

If the player teamkilled you he get's a warning and eventually a kickvote, but if he accidentally bleeds you, you gotta accept that. Especially when he did riflespam.

You got hit, you intentionally fired back. Either you take the hits and die, so that justice can be done, or you can go on talking some random shit.

I need not make a screenshot to proove that I was in the right.

So to sum this up: You teamkilled him, intentionally, I kicked you.

I know that you are holding a grudge against me, and as you are a level 4 I will have to be more careful on your actions as people cannot call kick/mute votes on you.

So either you put up with it, or you can fuck off. As simple as that. So far you, epical and one or two others are against me, while the rest of the people think that I am doing my job good. So you cannot call me incompetent. This is contradictive. A minority does not have the better opinion than the majority that has known me for longer.
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TheMuffinMann
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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okay, about the other player.

Pax called an unwarranted mute on him.

I did look it up on ingame logs, warned pax as ghost unmuted him before I could.
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yalt.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So either you put up with it, or you can fuck off. As simple as that. So far you, epical and one or two others are against me, while the rest of the people think that I am doing my job good. So you cannot call me incompetent. This is contradictive. A minority does not have the better opinion than the majority that has known me for longer.

Delusions and conceits are bad basis for being an admin. I don't want to be part of your private war. Neither ur friend but the point is: you ban / kick / mute and /warn for reasons u make up (your own set of rules?) and thats why im writing here. Today you overact by banning another player (josef /5 days?) for tk that i never saw in console (yes, i have demo of it). Also u tried to provoke me, probably to create/find new several reasons why i should be banned and no longer lvl4 (yes i remember ur bitching about *WHY IS HE LVL4*).
I don't like ur arrogant airs on server! Sooner or later it will be ur *hanging matter*.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lets review it:

Level 0 will TK level 4 (bad)
Level 4 will TK level 0 in revenge (bad too)
Level 4 is kicked.

He?
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yalt.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I correct:
Level 0 will TK level 4 +keep bleeding (bad)
Level 4 will TK level 0 in revenge (bad too)
Level 4 will votekick level 0 after warning
Vote cancelled by Admin
Level 4 is kicked.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yalt. wrote:
you ban / kick / mute and /warn for reasons u make up

Highly unlikely, AFAIK Muffin never did overstep.


Quote:
(yes, i have demo of it)

Do post it, so ppl can see for themselves.


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*WHY IS HE LVL4*

Why is he lvl4 anyway?Very Happy


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Sooner or later it will be ur *hanging matter*

LOL! Very Happy
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epicaldude
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TheMuffinMann wrote:
So far you, epical and one or two others are against me


Nurse, 50 mg benzodiazepines, stat.

I'm not "against you". I want good (minimal, fair, smooth) admining on "my" server.

Either way,
since there seem to be some inclarity about what was done by who why re-watch the demo / screens / console and write again exactly what happened?

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TheMuffinMann
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are occupied by playing the game yalt, while I actually watch the server. Iain asked me to keep an eye on Josef as he is said to be prone to bleed and teamkill, that is what I did. I spectated him and guess what... I saw him attempting to snipe Joe twice. Just because you are incapable of seeing it, I do.

This is not to be questioned, simply because you assume that because you haven't seen it, that it never has happened.

Sometimes you cannot see everything, as you have to play too.

About the review

Level 0 does bleed and one teamkill accidentally as is spamming rifle.
-> Does get an immediate kickvote and no warning

Level 4 does bleed in revenge and teamkills too.
-> Why not kick him for doing it on purpose and not being a good example

Hence the level 4.

Yalt, you have more responsibilities. As a level 4 you simply have to put up with spammers and newbies. There is no other way around, but if you decide to bleed in revenge and teamkill. Then you're bound to be kicked.
and as you are immune to votes I cannot do it the other way.

Also about the provocative part.
I am just doing the same things you do to me, as always. You troll, I troll. As simple as that, I just abide to the rules and if you then do a mistake, you have lost your own game. That's all.
I abide to the rules provided on the adminpage. If they don't suit you, then I am sorry to say that you haven't read the rules.

I warn, mute, kick and ban with purpose and reason. If you are incapable of seeing it, it doesn't mean that I am wrong. To say the least, you are not more than I am, you aren't my lesser either. So you simply cannot stoop above me and pretend as if you were superior than I, because that is delusion and deceit.

I enquire and do quite some research, you may not be able to see it as you are busy raging on me with the constant nagging. Admin abuse once more, abuse this, power abuse that... I always hear you complaining about me, often with no reason. Almost every time I have backup from other players, admins and registered people alike. You are always questioning me, so I do have the right to wonder whether you are the one trying to make this personal or not.
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yalt.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didnt bleed him and i warned him.
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attempting to snipe Joe
So you banned him for nothing. Tk-attempt ist not a TK.
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Yalt, you have more responsibilities.
Who set this rule? You?
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and as you are immune to votes I cannot do it the other way.

nonsense. This shows just ur narrowmindness. Who of the players wanted me to be banned? Ok i get it: u looked it up in their minds.
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I am just doing the same things you do to me, as always. You troll
pure lie. Actually i refuse to talk to you. I also didnt talk at all. You just making this up.
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To say the least, you are not more than I am
Nice attempt to distract but it just inverts the truth. I never said anything like that.
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So you simply cannot stoop above me and pretend as if you were superior than I
Gosh, who said that? On which planet ur living?
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I enquire and do quite some research, you may not be able to see it as you are busy raging on me with the constant nagging. Admin abuse once more, abuse this, power abuse that... I always hear you complaining about me, often with no reason. Almost every time I have backup from other players, admins and registered people alike. You are always questioning me, so I do have the right to wonder whether you are the one trying to make this personal or not.
Im sure u wish its like this but i really dont care about u. But i report all shit ur doing and thats all.

Try to argue on _facts_ not stuff u flatter oneself
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do post it, so ppl can see for themselves.
No need anymore. Themuffin alrdy decaled that there was no done tk.
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TheMuffinMann
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Joe also teamkilled earlier, I just added the two attempts (call them bleeds if you so wish). I have just waited for approval of hostile behaviour

Society has set the rule.

Who of the players wanted him to be banned, so far only you.

You refuse to talk to me, fact is you complain about me constantly.

So far I have seen no solid proof that I have made any mistakes. No visible/audible evidence. Yet you accuse me of quite a lot.

I am living on planet earth, perhaps a different lifestyle?

Re-read your sentence Yalt.
-> You are out to get me, yet do not care about me.

So isn't it obvious that you are twisting the truth to get me demoted?
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